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nostra:
--- Quote ---It's difficult to believe anyone just casually wants something that is not MediaWiki to look like Wikipedia. Are the complaints not really about the selection of software? Perhaps you could diplomatically explain a wiki is finally happening because cwdean volunteered to take it on. Obviously, he has chosen to use the software he is comfortable with and prefers. This doesn't mean others are not "right" in preferring something else. They might, however, try to cooperate in giving TikiWiki a fair trial.
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In fact there are people who do not like UI only and there some that suggest to use another Wiki engine. One of them has already a DokuWiki set up. I think that there is no 100% solution, but Tikiwiki seem pretty powerful to me and I am sure if we can make it look better people will automatically get a better impression of it.
The Tikipedia theme looks just perfect. Can we apply it cwdean?
rick.ca:
--- Quote ---One of them has already a DokuWiki set up.
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Oh, well. Maybe the competition will help. :-\
Hmmm... Maybe that's why Reset is cranking-out page translations at an astonishing rate! ;D
nostra:
--- Quote ---Oh, well. Maybe the competition will help. Undecided
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Yeah, that's funny: there was no sign of manuals for a long time and now there are two wikis to choose. :o
cwdean:
--- Quote from: rick.ca on March 18, 2009, 11:19:10 pm ---Hope you don't mind... I moved that so it appears above the Shoutbox—so we know who we're shouting at. ;)
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Don't mind at all. That's why you're an admin. ;)
--- Quote ---Changing my language preference from Default to English seems to have resolved this. If you can determine that only admins are affected, it's probably safe to ignore the matter.
The Babelfish options appear to be "fixed," in that they don't adapt to language preference. So there's no translation to English.
I should point out, BTW, this feature just translates the entire page using an external service. It must be quite apart from the function of translating a page into another language. I haven't actually tried that, but I assume that's fully integrated—text is translated and tags are preserved, etc.
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Seems to be working for me as well, and for the test account...so I think it's fixed...unless somebody tells me otherwise.
The way that Tiki works is that you have the ability to support internal and external translation, i.e. external translating via external services such as Google or BabelFish, and internal translating where you translate the page and save it in the database. Internal translation is the preference as it provides greater flexibility and direct control of the page content. External translation is fine for quick views of pages but is limited by how accurate the service may be. Thus Tiki supports both.
With that said, internal translation is what we should be focusing on because it will allow our clients to benefit directly from community contributions. Once a page is translated, it resides in the database and all our clients need to do is set their preferred language accordingly.
--- Quote ---It's difficult to believe anyone just casually wants something that is not MediaWiki to look like Wikipedia. Are the complaints not really about the selection of software? Perhaps you could diplomatically explain a wiki is finally happening because cwdean volunteered to take it on. Obviously, he has chosen to use the software he is comfortable with and prefers. This doesn't mean others are not "right" in preferring something else. They might, however, try to cooperate in giving TikiWiki a fair trial.
If it really is just a "look & feel" issue, maybe we could try the Tikipedia theme. Although I appreciate what cwdean is saying, and would be surprised if this were easy to implement.
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I agree with you Rick. I support commercial applications in my profession and it's considered best practice to minimize customizations as much as possible. Otherwise, future upgrades become a real challenge. If we can find an existing theme that will meet our needs, that's the approach I would recommend. It seems like Tikipedia is worth looking at, and there may be one or two others that are suitable as well. I just tried to install and take a look at the Tikipedia theme and I got an error...so I will look into that further this evening (I think it's a security issue with a folder).
As with all "new" software, it takes a little time to learn the interface and get comfortable with it. :)
cwdean:
--- Quote from: nostra on March 18, 2009, 11:32:16 pm ---In fact there are people who do not like UI only and there some that suggest to use another Wiki engine. One of them has already a DokuWiki set up. I think that there is no 100% solution, but Tikiwiki seem pretty powerful to me and I am sure if we can make it look better people will automatically get a better impression of it.
The Tikipedia theme looks just perfect. Can we apply it cwdean?
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I think people have a preference for they are comfortable or familiar with. The functionality of Tiki is very similar to other wiki implementations, so I agree that most issues are probably with the look&feel. But as I mentioned in another post, working with any "new" software package takes time to get familiar with the interface and functionality. With time, I'm hopeful that others will appreciate what Tiki has to offer. And if not, we'll look to a different solution :)
Tikiwiki is very powerful and the breadth of integration is really impressive. Right now, it is fully functionality as a wiki and should more than adequately meet our needs.
I'll work on implementing the Tikipedia theme this evening.
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