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cwdean:
--- Quote from: patch on March 21, 2009, 12:59:31 am ---cwdean could TikWiki support the type of interface I have described. Alternatively are you or someone else aware of software that could. If software was available which would assist in bringing the communities together, then perhaps nostra may choose to delegate the upgrade to the PVD forum (& Wiki).
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Patch, TikiWiki is actually working just the way you described right now :) The software fully supports multiple languages and a user can toggle between any translated page at will. Translation is primarily human driven in order to promote the most useful and accurate content. You can use an external translator such as Babel Fish or Google Translate, but those are supplementary services for when a translated page doesn't exist. It's anticipated that the community will translate a page when needed. And once translated appears along with all translated pages in the Language drop-down list. Also, if a page has been translated in your preferred language, it will automatically appear when navigating the wiki. So I think this behavior is exactly what you were looking for (or describing).
I did some research on translating wiki pages and pretty much every wiki software program works this way. The implementation may be different, but the expectation that the community will translate pages is the same.
Also, TikiWiki fully supports integrated Forums...i.e. with full multi-language support as well. This isn't a current requirement, so it's not turned on...and it's completely notra's call when and if he even wants to integrate the two feature sets. I think the intent is to see how the Wiki goes and to let it mature for a while before even considering such a move (which makes sense to me :) ). But PVD Wiki can support the move when and if nostra is ready.
cwdean:
--- Quote from: patch on March 21, 2009, 06:43:07 am ---Is it possible to put a link to the Wiki contents page from the home page http://www.nimidia.com/pvd_wiki/tiki-index.php?page=PVD-Manual&structure=PVD-Manual
I believe this is a system generated / maintained page. It does appear to be incomplete though as many more pages are listed here http://www.nimidia.com/pvd_wiki/tiki-listpages.php Not sure what determines if a pages is added to the contents or not.
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Hi patch,
Actually the PVD-Manual isn't really system generated...which is why it's incomplete :) It is using a feature of the wiki software called Structures which allows one to create a layout of wiki pages so that they are structured (i.e. like a book, etc). It isn't hard to do, but does take some time...which is why it's incomplete right now. You basically tell the structure what order the relationship of pages should appear in. This way you can navigate pages in that order (like a book). You can specify indentation in order to group like pages (like a chapter) and the Table of Contents will reflect this.
It's a cool feature. I just need to finish it ;D By the way, I can give permissions for anybody to add pages to the structure. I was reluctant to do this at first, for fear of the structure somehow getting messed up (it requires some planning and may not be all that intuitive). But perhaps I should make it available to all registered users, or at least a select few. What do you think?
rick.ca:
--- Quote ---No maintenance involved whatsoever...
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That's good news. Except if users want it changed again, you can't plead "too much trouble." ;)
I don't know if the theme is at fault, it looks like there's a glitch with numbering in the "top users" module.
--- Quote ---Also, TikiWiki fully supports integrated Forums...i.e. with full multi-language support as well.
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I would be concerned forums at the Wiki would reduce activity here. But there may be use for this—facilitating communication between the two user groups. I've been looking for SMF solution, but haven't found one. I asked about inter-forum posting in the SMF Forum, and the response so far suggests that if there is a solution, it's not an obvious one. Maybe we should establish one simple forum at the Wiki—for the limited purpose of discussing all things wiki. It would serve a purpose we can't fill here, and would provide a demonstration of a different kind of forum—for consideration of options for the future.
--- Quote ---But perhaps I should make it available to all registered users, or at least a select few. What do you think?
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I think it unlikely anyone is going to spontaneously help with something like that, just because they have permission to do so. As you point out, even if someone wanted to help, they would have to be concerned about messing up your structure. If you want help, it would probably be more effective to ask for it, then give permission and instructions to those who step forward. It would be a good task for your yet-to-be-named Assistant Editor-in-Chief. ;)
cwdean:
--- Quote from: rick.ca on March 23, 2009, 07:39:57 pm ---
--- Quote ---No maintenance involved whatsoever...
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That's good news. Except if users want it changed again, you can't plead "too much trouble." ;)
I don't know if the theme is at fault, it looks like there's a glitch with numbering in the "top users" module.
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Good point ;) Forget I even said anything...is that even possible? ;D
--- Quote ---I would be concerned forums at the Wiki would reduce activity here. But there may be use for this—facilitating communication between the two user groups. I've been looking for SMF solution, but haven't found one. I asked about inter-forum posting in the SMF Forum, and the response so far suggests that if there is a solution, it's not an obvious one. Maybe we should establish one simple forum at the Wiki—for the limited purpose of discussing all things wiki. It would serve a purpose we can't fill here, and would provide a demonstration of a different kind of forum—for consideration of options for the future.
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It may...my suggestion was mostly as an inform in order to learn (experience) more about how the forums in TikiWiki work. But your point is worth considering...a forum to specifically support the wiki could be set up and then community feedback could help nostra with future support decisions.
--- Quote ---I think it unlikely anyone is going to spontaneously help with something like that, just because they have permission to do so. As you point out, even if someone wanted to help, they would have to be concerned about messing up your structure. If you want help, it would probably be more effective to ask for it, then give permission and instructions to those who step forward.
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Another good point. I was reconsidering after I suggested the idea. It really would be too much work for more than one person to try to support (without stepping on each other). However, asking for a volunteer to create a like structure in Russian would be most appreciated :) I can ask for such assistance after I've finished Version 1 of the PVD-Manual. Anyway, it's not even done and it's getting attention :)
--- Quote --- It would be a good task for your yet-to-be-named Assistant Editor-in-Chief. ;)
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Now there's a promising thought ;D Anybody in particular you have in mind?
cwdean:
--- Quote from: rick.ca on March 23, 2009, 07:39:57 pm ---I don't know if the theme is at fault, it looks like there's a glitch with numbering in the "top users" module.
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I just checked into this. It isn't a problem with the theme. It's an acknowledged bug in TikiWiki that needs to be fixed. It's mostly an aesthetic problem, that's why I've gone ahead and left it visible. Thanks for catching (noticing) this though.
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