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cwdean:
--- Quote from: rick.ca on March 14, 2009, 06:53:44 am ---There's virtually no user administration functions happening at either site, so there's no administrative need for a common login. And only those who wish to contribute need to register. It would be helpful for user recognition of one another, however, if everyone used the same user name on both sites. Maybe all that's required is a request that users registering at the wiki site use their PVD username—although I don't see a way to do that. Are you listening, cwdean or Starlock or whatever your name is? ;D
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I'm listening ;D Your point is well taken. I am now going by cwdean at both sites and would encourage the rest of the PVD community who wants to contribute on the Wiki to do the same. This will alleviate some confusion and make it easier for community members to get to know each other.
cwdean:
For our international members, the PVD Wiki does support multiple languages and translations. Here's what you need to do (to the best of my knowledge, which is a bit limited, so if you have different experiences or learn more, please let us know) --
* There are some preset translation links at the bottom of the pages.
* There is a link to Babelfish at the bottom of every page as well to assist in page translations.
* You can select a language for the page being viewed via the drop-down language listbox at the top right-hand corner of the page. If your preferred language doesn't appear, you can select "Translate" and translate the page (this is fairly simple to do as the wiki software supports multiple languages natively). This only has to be done once. After that, the translated page will appear in the drop-down list box.
If a page has been translated to your preferred language (which you specify in your Preferences) it should automatically appear for you.
My default language is English...so I'm unable to test a lot of this. If you experience problems please let me know. As I'm helping administer the site, I will do my best to be accomodating to our international community members...but really need your help to do so. One way you can help is by translating pages to your preferred language as you view them. Thanks in advance for your assistance!
Looks like the PVD Wiki is off to a great start. ;D Special thanks to all of you who have assisted in creating and translating pages.
rick.ca:
How is this going over with our Russian friends? Perhaps we should have assumed they would feel the same about an English wiki as we would about a Russian. That is, fine—as long as it behaves/performs pretty much the same in our native language—otherwise—we may as well do our own. It appears they are actively translating your pages, so maybe they're happy. Since the wiki will maintain pages in multiple languages, I don't suppose that's the issue. But is the quality of the Russian interface acceptable?
A few things I've noticed...
When I log in, the Babelfish section disappears and is replaced with "Babelfish (debug): Fatal error."
The translation links don't include the option to translate to English. I suppose that's logical—it's recognizing the default language is English, so there should be no need to translate to English. But what if I want to translate a Russian page to see if there's something there I might want to add to the English page (I'm sure those guys have cool tips they're not sharing with us!). My workaround for this is to use the following bookmarklet to send the page to Google Translate.
--- Code: ---javascript:location='http://translate.google.com/translate?u=' + encodeURIComponent(location);
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--- Quote ---My default language is English...so I'm unable to test a lot of this.
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Hopefully, there will soon be new pages in Russian only that we will need to translate into English. That should give us some idea. The part we can't experience is the quality of the Russian (or other non-English) interface. BTW, if one doesn't understand English, how do they register and change the interface language to their own? Maybe changing the default language to Russian for a time would make a good test. ;)
nostra:
I do not know about the UI (but I'll test it later), but some users got error messages while trying to translate certain pages and some texts seem to be untranslatable. Never the less it seems like the idea of creating a Wiki liked both English and Russian users.
--- Quote ---Hopefully, there will soon be new pages in Russian only that we will need to translate into English.
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I am sure they will.
cwdean:
--- Quote from: rick.ca on March 18, 2009, 12:38:27 am ---But is the quality of the Russian interface acceptable?
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A very good question, but unfortunately one that I cannot respond to without feedback from our Russian friends. I suspect it will be personal tastes, but if something simply isn't working I need to know about it in order to attempt to fix it :)
--- Quote ---When I log in, the Babelfish section disappears and is replaced with "Babelfish (debug): Fatal error."
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This happened to me once before as well, so I turned the feature off. When I turned it back on the other day, it seemed to work fine for me. I am no longer getting that error message. I don't know what I changed to fix it for me. I'll look at it some more in depth and see what I can find. Thanks for pointing this out to me.[/quote]
--- Quote ---The translation links don't include the option to translate to English. I suppose that's logical—it's recognizing the default language is English, so there should be no need to translate to English.
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I believe that is how it works. Since the default language on the site is English, it assumes that the initial page is in English (thus the English page in the drop-down listbox). You can change the language of the page from the Translate page (for initial pages that are not written in English).
--- Quote --- But what if I want to translate a Russian page to see if there's something there I might want to add to the English page (I'm sure those guys have cool tips they're not sharing with us!). My workaround for this is to use the following bookmarklet to send the page to Google Translate.
--- Code: ---javascript:location='http://translate.google.com/translate?u=' + encodeURIComponent(location);
--- End code ---
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Great tip. I'll see if I can add this bookmarklet as a custom menu item.
--- Quote ---BTW, if one doesn't understand English, how do they register and change the interface language to their own? Maybe changing the default language to Russian for a time would make a good test. ;)
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Good question. I'll have to check into that. If I recall correctly (and I'll double-check this evening) I think you specify your preferred language while completing your profile after validating your e-mail address (upon sign-up). But I also think that Tiki reads your preferred language from your browser and displays pages according to that setting. Again, kind of hard for me to test ;)
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