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rick.ca:

--- Quote ---The idea wasn't mine, and the fact it was implemented in almost any movie manager could imply that it is used by significant number of users.
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The fact most PVD users swear it's the best movie manager they've ever used is perhaps reason enough we should not try to be like the others. ;D

But seriously... I don't care where the idea comes from. All of them are improved through open discussion. Implementing most of them involves finding a balance between competing interests and considerations. Even the addition of a minor optional feature has indirect consequences—even if just making the program a little more complicated to use due to the number of options.

I suppose some think a "Feature Suggestions" forum is like a suggestion box. This assumes, however, nostra has the time to consider all the implications of the suggested change. I don't know why he would do so if users can't be bothered to develop the idea.

buah:

--- Quote ---The alternate feature I suggested would ensure the rating and any other information related to the viewing of the movie gets recorded at the same time.
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It is obvious to me that my suggestion was heading to this.

I always tend to look at the things "out of the box", and I don't imply anyone here does it "from within". I highlight it because to me, the very basic answer on a very basic question:

"Who will be the (first) users of a software I developed, while there were tons of it's kind out there already developed and established?"

is:

The users that already used such a software, but not the users that started to collect movies yesterday, or even worst, the users that started to watch movies yesterday, i.e. - from the scratch.

So, any subsequent question, dilemma, suggestion is an excerpt (derivation, abstract) of that basic one. Having this in mind, the very basic question for me on this issue is:

Were there, is there, or will it be more collection of movies with the "seen date" known, or with the "seen date" unknown?
The answer is obvious to me.
So,
Is it a greater chance that someone would forget to set "seen date" or to forget to set "seen..." whatever at all?
Again pretty obvious to me.
So,
Is it a bigger damage if someone miss SOME seen dates, or if someone miss some movies are seen?
Having in mind that I watched at least 5.000 movies in my life so far (yes, that's true, although it 's more likely it is 10.000, but I couldn't swear, and I have a written record that in 1992 I watched 936 movies), seen date is totally irrelevant to me comparing to "seen" flag, and the answer is again - obvious to me.
So,
Why am I a good sample, and why my opinion on this issue would be important?
Because we all increase the number of seen movies, and at some point it becomes extremely hard to remember if you watched some movie, and I have that problem, and it's likely that we all will have it.

I mean, seen date is more important to you, so you'll always start from entering data for it, than you'll likely rate it. So, it's likely you won't miss seen date. But, why not letting others to start from rating while seen date isn't that of importance to them, but seen flag is extremely important, too?

I'll try to explain this to you, and that would be my final attempt.

Why it is better to start from rating, than from "seen"?

I'll start from the opposite.
Case #1.
Today I flagged movie as seen, and forgot to rate it with 3 stars (because in these circumstances I'm forced to start from seen flag). In five years someone asks me if I watched that movie, and if I did would I recommend it to him? I can't remember if I watched it, so I open PVD, confirm that I watched it that day, five years ago ("Hey, I don't care when did you watch it, would you recommend it to me, or not?"), but can't tell "no, don't waste your time", because I don't have rating.
Case #2
Since -damus didn't implement my suggestion, I rated movie with 3 stars but forgot to flag it as seen. I can't remember if I watched it, so I open PVD. Filter-Seen-> "My friend, I didn't watch it"->"Waste your time".
Case #3
Nostra didn't implement my suggestion, but I set rating and seen flags. My friend happy he won't waste his time, nostra happy because he hadn't extra work, I'm happy made my friend happy, but - I'm not happy because had to be extremely cautious while entering data for such a large bunch of movies.
Case #4
Nostra implemented my suggestion, upon Rick's positive opinion in addition. My friend happy he won't waste his time, I'm happy made him happy, nostra and rick happy made all of us happy.

When you're dead, and you have your PVD endowed, your descendants will create an image of you based on how many movies you watched, what movies you watched, but the most, how you rated them. Not on a dates you watched them. Let me go that "far out of the box". ;D


--- Quote ---I don't know why he would do so if users can't be bothered to develop the idea.
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Finally, I'll explain why I (will) sometimes end discussion after a couple of posts. That's because if I can't recognize joint baseline at least at the lowest level, I recognize that it'll be impossible to reconcile issue premises (maybe the most appropriate term here is - standpoint, in terms of not willing, not capable to move forward to meet the other one), no matter how great idea I had. I mean, Tesla (he was a Serbian, btw ;D) invented wireless transmission of electricity a hundred years ago, but J.P.Morgan as his maecenas didn't support him. And, the life is too short, so let's spend it on premises that could be reconciled, to reach as much as possible win-win combinations, so to many more of us could feel happy for as long as possible. And I mean this seriously. :)

Cheers

rick.ca:
All this because I said your suggested feature should be optional? Or is it because I contradicted something you deem to be obvious? How can you possibly think my simple assertion "the date seen is important to me" is open for debate?

In your fondness for what you consider obvious, you seem to have overlooked the fact there are different kinds of collections, work flows and personal preferences. One of the characteristics that sets PVD apart from most of its competitors is that it's a powerful program that leaves a reasonable amount of room for being adapted to one's personal needs and preferences. I hope it's obvious to you I'll not be in favour of anything that diminishes that.

So to recap: Linking two fields so one changes with the other is a bad idea. Adding the option to do so would unlikely create any problems (especially if the default is 'off'), and some users would appreciate the convenience. Unfortunately, if nostra made the mistake of reading this far, he no longer has the time to implement this. ;D

buah:

--- Quote from: rick.ca on January 30, 2010, 03:24:17 am ---All this because I said your suggested feature should be optional?
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All that because of


--- Quote from: rick.ca on January 29, 2010, 09:01:59 pm ---I don't know why he (nostra, obj. by buah) would do so if users can't be bothered to develop the idea.
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I thought it was obvious? I thought you'd appreciate that I wanted to elaborate my standpoint? And what I got is that I found that with your last post you misjudged me, and kinda offended me, too.

And I thought it was obvious that getting two fields linked via option, perfectly suits me, ditto?


--- Quote from: buah on January 29, 2010, 04:12:26 pm ---Anyway, I don't mind if it would have to be even optional. That option would be checked in in my personal preferences, just like "Allow editing Rating in View mode" is, for instance.
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Rick, your reactions I find sometimes really unexpected, and that confuses me a lot. Hence, I will retire for a while from corresponding with you. If you ever felt offended by me, I apologize for it, that was never my intention, and it's not my style.

Cheers

patch:

--- Quote from: buah on January 30, 2010, 04:49:10 am ---
--- Quote from: buah on January 29, 2010, 04:12:26 pm ---Anyway, I don't mind if it would have to be even optional. That option would be checked in in my personal preferences, just like "Allow editing Rating in View mode" is, for instance.
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These flags seam to generate a lot of controversy in pvd, both in name, intended, and desirable function.
As such increasing the configurability would be desirable, especially if any further interactions were introduced.
Maybe making the flag title configurable, and existing dependencies also would keep even more people happy.


--- Quote from: buah on January 30, 2010, 04:49:10 am ---Rick, your reactions I find sometimes really unexpected, and that confuses me a lot. Hence, I will retire for a while from corresponding with you.

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It is an issue. I don't think there is a solution.

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